The film gets very good reviews from the Times, Telegraph and Guardian here in the UK. The fact that the director does not overtly show anger is surely because that was not his purpose in making the film, instead the film critics pick up on the appalling tensions that the members have to live with inside the cult.
Half banana
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Apostasy Movie (For those who have forgotten)
by KW13 inthis movie is out there now in the us and im guessing other territories and due to be released tomorrow in the uk in cinema and for streaming.
https://www.curzonartificialeye.com/apostasy/.
i didnt realise until recently the man behind it all shares a mutual friend with myself so im hoping to get to meet him because this film looks like it will do more for ex witnesses who need justification for moving on and for those who don't understand the religion, i think it teaches more than any documentary?.
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Views on the golden ratio??
by Freedom rocks inwhat are your views on the golden ratio or fibonacci sequence?
i know jws and some other groups use this as proof of gods existence.
i'm still looking into the debate but was wondering what others thought.
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Half banana
To invoke God for anything at all is in my mind naive. Like you ttdtt, I am a designer (landscape) and use it all the time because it works. it just looks right!
To my delight I have just measured an existing courtyard for a new design and the width to length is 8m to to 13m...... ideal! The golden ratio is 1.618 to 1 or any two Fibonacci numbers next to each other.
It just happens to occur in nature very frequently, to me it says that this is the way nature has found to conveniently package itself and the ratios always look right at a subliminal level; it is a proportion we all find attractive. Our teeth if they are regular and complete are a good example of the golden section. Perhaps we all like it because because it is common.
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The Attack by Gog of Magog: 2018 Convention
by jwdoctrine inthe attack by gog of magog with commentary watch to the end.
talk from the 2018 convention .watch till the end.
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Half banana
This is an exercise in upping the paranoia level. HQ always want their followers to worry about something unnerving, it keeps them submissive.
The scriptures surely are becoming more and more irrelevant to the average person today, "Gog of Magog" sounds just like is: a character from a fairy tale.
The Watchtower have never been right about anything in the past......... why would this be any different?
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Screwed up sexually
by purrpurr ini was thinking about how the borg screws up and sexually neuters their flock by telling them when single to "deaden their body" and then boom as soon as there's a ring on the finger to not be denying eachother.. do any of you know of jws who have been screwed up by these teachings?
i know 2, 1 elder came back from honeymoon having a nervous breakdown unable to cope with the cd that sex produced in his head.
and the other called up her parents while on honeymoon, crying and begging for themto come and get her, since she was so shocked that sex hurt.
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Half banana
I was a guilt ridden pioneer with an unofficial degree in advanced heavy petting. It didn't really prepare me for married life.
In European countries in the middle ages it was normal to get pregnant before marriage...
Whatever the Watchtower tells you to do, doing the opposite is probably better!
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Child sacrifice and Jesus' sacrifice
by Whynot injeremiah 7:31 says, "they have built the high places of toʹpheth, which is in the valley of the son of hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that i had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.’".
according to this scripture it's unthinkable for jehovah to be pleased with child sacrifices.
but yet he sent his son to be killed as a sacrifice for all?.
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Half banana
However you look at it if you're religious, you are dependent on magic events and magic spirits.
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Child sacrifice and Jesus' sacrifice
by Whynot injeremiah 7:31 says, "they have built the high places of toʹpheth, which is in the valley of the son of hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that i had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.’".
according to this scripture it's unthinkable for jehovah to be pleased with child sacrifices.
but yet he sent his son to be killed as a sacrifice for all?.
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Half banana
It is no way to make progress in our lives or our world by taking Jewish superstitions as literal truth.
You may choose to have Adamic sin but I would rather use rationality with compassion as a way forward.
Humans are animals with a highly developed brain capable of insights and misconceptions, that is why we need logic and scientific scrutiy to determine reality-- and fellow feeling for the needs of others to live together in harmony.
In the historical past religion with blood sacrifices, beneficially held small groups in a kind of psychic equilibrium but today we live in an interconnected, nationally interdependent planet where religion divides not unites.
Sir Tim Berners-Lee does not kill people, dogmatic religious belief has killed millions, it is time to forget superstitions like the one about Jesus' death.
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Child sacrifice and Jesus' sacrifice
by Whynot injeremiah 7:31 says, "they have built the high places of toʹpheth, which is in the valley of the son of hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that i had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.’".
according to this scripture it's unthinkable for jehovah to be pleased with child sacrifices.
but yet he sent his son to be killed as a sacrifice for all?.
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Half banana
Perry, in context I was thinking of Adamic sin: the inborn, inherited imperfection-- cured some think, by the sacrificial death of the "second Adam".
I don't know about you but I feel no need for anyone's death to help me get this 'sin' out of my system.
Really, does anyone else feel the urge to be "redeemed from sin" here?
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Child sacrifice and Jesus' sacrifice
by Whynot injeremiah 7:31 says, "they have built the high places of toʹpheth, which is in the valley of the son of hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that i had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.’".
according to this scripture it's unthinkable for jehovah to be pleased with child sacrifices.
but yet he sent his son to be killed as a sacrifice for all?.
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Half banana
omission: Theodosius was the last to hold the Eastern and Western empires together.
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Child sacrifice and Jesus' sacrifice
by Whynot injeremiah 7:31 says, "they have built the high places of toʹpheth, which is in the valley of the son of hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that i had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.’".
according to this scripture it's unthinkable for jehovah to be pleased with child sacrifices.
but yet he sent his son to be killed as a sacrifice for all?.
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Half banana
Perry you are imagining that the words of the Bible are actually true and meaningful!
They are most certainly words from leaders of religious cults over time. At least Venus sees them as metaphor-- but we can go deeper. To understand the texts selected by the religious authorities it is necessary to be sceptical and not gullible religious consumers, fearful of displeasing an unknowable deity.
What the Bible says about sacrifice is drawn entirely from secular pagan folk belief.
God has never spoken or given dictation hence when the BIble says "God says" with reference to child sacrifice it was "a thing which never came into my mind", they were the words cult leaders used to inform their devotees of the new turn in contemporary dogma.
To be more specific, the Phoenicians were cheek by jowl neighbours of Israel sharing their religious superstitions. Israel were enormously influenced by them. It was the Phoenicians who probably introduced them the Canaanite pantheon including Yahweh, which Israel took on as their totemic god. Unlike the economically hamstrung Israelites they were successful seafarers and traders in the Mediterranean-- but like Israel, also practitioners of child sacrifice. Having seen a Phoenician topheth (a place of burning) on a small island off the coast of Sicily, I could not feel other than overwhelming pity for the ignorance of our forebears. Imagine that deliberately sacrificing your child could have benefits? Clearly pagan ritual also included adult human sacrifice as the most potent ritual to balance the spirits of the tribe. Only by this revolting precedent could any later parallel for the benefits of Jesus' sacrifice have any symbolic meaning.
Christian belief is built fairly and squarely on pagan and astrological motifs. It was only after the unscrupulous Roman Imperial rule sanctified the Bible and Christianity in the fourth century to bolster its influence, that the pagan source documents of Christian texts were proscribed and destroyed. This programme began in the late fourth century under the 'Christian' soldier Emperor Theodosius l, who was the first emperor to accede to the demands of church authority and the last to the Eastern and Western empire together.
However by proscription and destruction of the pagan sources of the new Catholic Bible and Christ doctrine, it does not mean the folk myths had not been the foundations of modern Christianity. The notion that one man Jesus died sacrificially for all men is only part of the mumbo-jumbo capitalised on by religion and state to garner political power. Fairy tales have a resonance with our behaviour because they come from a collective human imagination born of common experience-- but that does not make them either sacrosanct or true.
Sin has no meaning for most people today and that is a good and liberating advance. There is no need for a magical, sacrificial "saviour".
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2018 Convention :The Cry for "Peace & Security"
by jwdoctrine inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzsk2k9y7qs&t=835s.
the talk of the cry for "peace & security" from the sunday morning program.
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Half banana
Firstly remember that the Bible is the world's most unreliable forecaster of events and sharing the prize equally in first place is the JW Organisation.
Secondly that what it says is always ambiguous, exactly like all popular prophetic utterances such as those by Nostradamus and Mother Shipton etc, its holy baloney.
Thirdly humans are so perverse by nature that conspicuous "peace and security" as a sign for "the end" is not likely to happen for many generations yet--not before mankind grows up and dispenses with religious holy texts as a guide for organising themselves. Religious dogma is at present the greatest threat to peace!
For JW cult members, they will now be focussing on "peace and security" utterances in the press and on TV and looking for signs instead of getting a proper and fulfilling life...........spare us!
(Sorry I couldn't bring myself to watch the convention video, it might make me ill.)